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“ None Of Your Clothing Is Cruelty-Free” Person Bursts The Myth Of Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism

Ilona Baliūnaitė and
Rokas Laurinavičius
According to a study by James Poore, an environmental researcher at the University of Oxford, the adoption of Veganuary (an annual challenge that promotes and educates about veganism by encouraging people to follow a vegan lifestyle for the month of January) in the UK alone is expected to have saved the atmosphere from the equivalent production of CO2 as 450,000 flights from London to Berlin, as well as 2.5 million litres (660,430 gallons) of water. And that's the impact of just 31 days. A more permanent adoption of veganism could, according to another study from the same university, be the "single biggest way" to reduce our impact on the environment, lowering an individual's carbon footprint by 73 percent. Such studies inspire people to not only adopt a vegan diet but change their entire lifestyle as well, including their fashion choices. Sustainable fashion is on the increase (searches are up 75 percent year on year, according to global fashion search engine Lyst) and brands are searching for vegan alternatives in an attempt to deliver on this demand. However, is vegan leather actually a cure for Earth? Not everyone thinks so. While it can be made from more natural resources like pineapple leaves, cork, and apple peels, it is most often produced from two different plastic polymers; polyurethane (PU) and polyvinyl chloride (PVC) which are so popular due to their wrinkled texture, giving the effect of real leather, according to PETA. A recent Twitter thread by user Shepherd dives deeper into the topic, raising the question: Is ethical consumption possible under capitalism at all? Image credits: iamdaniela Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: Marie Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: NeolithicSheep Image credits: NeolithicSheep

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As if farmers would deliberately kill their livelyhood... This is about as intelligent as saying farmers kill their cows every morning in order to get to the milk... 100 100points reply Patsy Patsy Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago But PETA said so... /s 48 48points reply Load More Replies... Chris Sprucefield Chris Sprucefield Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago PETA? The guys that deliberately kills healthy animals because of not wanting to spend the money to host them for too long in rescue shelters? The guys that rain down on capitalist behaviours, yet pays their bosses heft wages? like this? https://realfacesofanimalrights.com/peta/wages-overhead-costs-exposed/ 2 2points reply Calypso Calypso Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago @chris sprucefield /s means they're being sarcastic 6 6points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Chris Sprucefield, why don't you confront Peta directly??? If I was Peta I would take you to the court, but that would cost money they want to spent on helping animals. By the way, how many animals did you saved???? Despicable trash you are spreading around. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes, Patsey, PETA and numerous other animal protection organizations, they have undercover investigators on the ground and they documented all that horrific abuse the greedy, heartless industries do to innocent, sentient animals. If only you cared to find out the truth and stop attacking all those brave, selfless, extraordinary people who fight against animal cruelty!!! What have you done to help suffering animals??/ Oh, nothing, just attacking those who do. -1 -1point reply Yettichild Yettichild Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Actually they did. As usual, and as intended, there was a lot of controversy about the ad. -1 -1point reply Doreen Yomoah Doreen Yomoah Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I f*****g hate PETA but I've also seen footage of how abusives shearing can be, so it's very difficult to know how the wool that made it to your sweater was made -2 -2points reply Barbara Vandewalle Barbara Vandewalle Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Any sheep shearer causes the sheep to have wound, he may not have job. The owners are very careful with their animals. It is not cheap to replace a 500 pound animal. 3 3points reply Chaotic-Pansexual-Gemini Chaotic-Pansexual-Gemini Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago There are definitely bad people out there but any good farmer would know that abusing their animals is not the way to go 3 3points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Chaotic-Pansexual-Gemini, when it comes to generating profits there are NOT farmers who see their animals as sentient, innocent beings; for farmers the way to go is to desensitize themselves and see their live"stock" solely as profitable things. If you were involved in any, including farm animal, protection fights, you would be horrified... I hope. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I f*****g hate you, Doreen for you f*****g hating Peta. And look.... your comment was down-voted for telling the truth about how immensely sheep suffer at the hands of the cruel wool industry ......for telling the truth and that I appreciate tremendously. -1 -1point reply Bacony Cakes Bacony Cakes Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. That makes me want to do the thing more. -5 -5points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Maybe not deliberately, but sheep are handled extremely roughly during shearing and they can and do get injured in the process. Like everything it's not black and white. And while most vegans would agree that sheep need to be sheared, most would prefer not to buy anything that supports animal farming in any way. The goal of the vegans is the end of animal farming altogether. I am making no comment on the wisdom or likelihood of that happening, but that is why the 'but they need to be sheared anyway/leather is a by-product' argument doesn't hold water with most vegans. Cue my downvotes, which happens every time I make comments about veganism! 11 11points reply Stille20 Stille20 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Then the argument should be for more careful sheering. Most problems with animal products is using the animals as products rather than spending a little more time and money to treat them as valued living creatures. 16 16points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Your argument maybe, but you can't tell vegans what their argument 'should' be. Ethical vegans believe that animals should never be exploited for our use, and that means no farming, not better farming. I'm not saying I agree with them, but it's a central belief. 4 4points reply Stille20 Stille20 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago However, the point is, animal products are often more sustainable and environmentally friendly as compared to synthetic options. 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago There are plenty of natural, cruelty free materials, Stil20. "If the world went vegan: we would free up land the size of Africa and need only 20 % of it to feed 8 billion herbivores." .... now, add to it land used by the industries which use animals to produce clothing materials. That land used by live"stock" for any kind of cruel exploitation, is stolen from wildlife - the destruction of wild lands is resulting in emergence of deadly, ever more potent, viruses and bacteria. We need the natural lands, untouched by human, destructive, cruel activities to survive!!!!!! That means humanity needs to come to its senses, get in possession of conscience and stop human overpopulation and urban sprawl. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That will NEVER happen, Stille20. Cruelty must be put out of bussines, that's the only way. -1 -1point reply ChickyChicky ChickyChicky Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago So the end result would be domesticated sheep breeds going extinct over time, which, okay fine. Or, do we reverse breed to breed out the wool-producing properties that we bred into the sheep over the centuries, till the sheeps can be wild again? 1 1point reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes, domesticated breeds would mostly die out. But wild sheep still exist, there's no need for any reverse breeding lol. 4 4points reply Anggi Santika Anggi Santika Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) @H Edwards, are you by any chance has a farm or working in a farm? Simple curiosity 2 2points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I have worked on a sheep farm, yes. Mostly for lambing, but I have assisted with dipping and shearing as well. 4 4points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I'm glad you do not work for the cruel wool producers any longer. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Good plan either way, Chicky. 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Thank you so much for your comment, H Edwards!! Wow, you got up-voted!!! That's something, something positive for suffering animals, for our earth, and for us humans alike. By the way, why do people need to wear leather clothing at all, especially the skin of heinously tortured and unimaginably painfully murdered animals??? I don't get it. There are plenty of materials from plant sources. -1 -1point reply Nathan Jones Nathan Jones Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago If all animal farming stopped today, the end result would be the extinction of most living things due to methane from cows. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) What the hell are you talking about Nathan Jones???? Methane pollution is a climate killer!!!!!! Animal agriculture is a major contributor to our planet's most significant environmental threats, greater than industrial and car pollution combined. If all animal farming stopped today, the end result would be the significantly cleaner, livable planet Earth!!!! The more clean, breathable air!! The clean, drinkable water!!! The healthy soil!!! -1 -1point reply FrancesCat FrancesCat Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago One argument against wool: Yarn (of all fiber types) in 2021 is not the same as yarn prior to the 1990s. Your grandmother's wool sweater and cotton sheets lasted her whole life, even improved with age. Textile manufacturers now use short, badly manufactured natural fibers to save $$, instead of using the long, strong fibers of yore. This is why wool, cashmere, and cotton sweaters pill so quickly, whether from Zara or Burberry, and vintage sweaters are going strong. Manufactured fibers, otoh, are literally miles long and break (pill) less easily. 9 9points reply Ripley Ripley Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes and no. Ultrafine merino is a very fine woolen knitted cloth, often used for base layers (thermals) and also t-shirts and other clothing worn against the skin. The long staple (fibre length) in merino means that the spun wool is almost as thin as sewing thread. So the high quality fine woolen things do exist - they probably wouldn't last a lifetime, but you can still get garments that will last a long time. In general, though, your argument is sound - manufacturers use inferior quality materials in *everything* so you have to keep buying new things. 6 6points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago No and No, Ripley; no to animal cruelty!!!! There are plenty of natural, plant-based materials to use for clothing and else, no need to torture and murder animals and poison the earth. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago FrancesCat, that is why the Wall Street (stocks) are doing so well, why the main street (consumers), our planet, and animals are losing. First they make more profits by exploiting the labor force ( workers productivity = one worker is doing the job of two workers and is hardly paid for the job of one worker), then they cheat by reducing quality of materials......and still rising the prices. 0 0points reply Kathryn Baylis Kathryn Baylis Community Member • points posts comments upvotes 1 year ago (edited) Seriously. When was the last time anyone ripped the skin off their scalp using clippers? The answer is never. It isn’t even possible. So there are vegans who are making an argument without understanding the process they’re arguing against. I’m not saying all vegans go off half-cocked like this, but the ones who do should do their homework first. 9 9points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Sheep do sustain injuries during shearing, it's quite a rough process. 7 7points reply Ragnhild Nilsen Ragnhild Nilsen Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Not often and not much. 0 0points reply Bacony Cakes Bacony Cakes Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. They heal quickly, though. -5 -5points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Kathryn Baylis, you are the one who should do your homework!!! Seriously, if you were to use clippers to cut hair of as many heads as possible, many, many heads, and as fast as you could in order to earn more money, there would be many, many heads with ripped skins. Got it???? -2 -2points reply John Baker John Baker Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yep. You're an idiot. Got it. 0 0points reply Seabeast Seabeast Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago PETA faked a bunch of photos to make it look as if that's how wool is produced. But really, you can see sheep shearing videos anywhere that show what it's really like. It's a 10 minute haircut, once a year. 5 5points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Please Seabeast, stop those hateful comments, that's enough!!! There are comments on this site, people commenting about the cruelty of the wool industry they witnessed. You really are a hateful, despicable beast!!!! Why don't you attach your legitimate name to those hateful comments of yours??? Not so brave, are you, just a coward. -2 -2points reply John Baker John Baker Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Found the PETA loony. 0 0points reply Michaela Michaela Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Factory farms are the issue. They are not gentle. Watch videos on the process. Factory farms do kill calves so they can have the milk meant for them. If you must use animal products do it as humanely as possible. 3 3points reply Seabeast Seabeast Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Where do you think veal comes from? 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Michaela, there is no way to exploit farm animals more humanely, we are despicable species who "must" gobble up the flesh of more than one million abhorrently tortured and murdered animals every single hour!!! There is no other mammalian animal in nature who drinks mother's milk after weaning, let alone the milk of another species, only humans are capable of such cruel perversity!! Animal milk protein, called casein, is very dissimilar from human protein, and, together with strong, hard to digest proteins in meat and eggs, causes painful, chronic inflammations in the human body - such as arthritis, chronic diseases - such as diabetes ... which are not only preventable, but reversible by plant-based (vegan) diet, heart diseases/clogged arteries, various cancers, and other maladies...... but nothing will stop human cruelty and destruction of our planet caused by animal agriculture. -2 -2points reply Jace Jace Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Huh. I've never heard that from my vegan friends. I thought it was about the animal slavery in that case. 3 3points reply Martha Meyer Martha Meyer Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago If you've ever seen a video of sheep being shorn, it doesn't exactly look nice and gentle. 3 3points reply V33333P V33333P Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago As a New Zealander I just want to GROAN so loudly at this. No, it doesn't LOOK gentle, but you watch any qualified shearer and they never nick the skin, and they move quickly enough that the sheep has time to realize its on its back before it's free to go 20 20points reply Teresa Taylor Teresa Taylor Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I've watched many shearing competitions and am amazed at the speed at which sheep can be shorn without being torn to shreds. I've had the good fortune to watch a professional shearer in action at a fiber show. While he wasn't competition fast, he was quick and handled the sheep with care. None were nicked or cut in the process and the fleeces were auctioned off. I watched him shear four sheep. He ended up doing nearly 20 that day. Fiber fairs and shows are a good place to get raw fleeces to spin yourself. Often you'll get to see (and feel) the fleece before the sheep's been sheared. Of course, you can anything from clean fleeces to finished products as well, but it's quite educational to watch firsthand the shearing process. 6 6points reply V33333P V33333P Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I love going to shows like this! I had a spinning wheel that I really wanted to use but it was missing a crucial part :( my friend spins, though. She uses raw fleece as well as the fleece from the alpacas her parents own. Shearing a sheep is literally like getting a hair cut, it's not that scary, and it doesn't hurt them 2 2points reply Teresa Taylor Teresa Taylor Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes! They're fun and you meet interesting people that are dedicated to preserving fiber arts and a historical (with modern twists) way of life. If people would stop getting their info from crap sources like PETA and get it from actual farmers and shearers (or even their local county extension offices) they'd see it's not painful or scary. Sheep by nature are scared of everything because of being prey animals; but any sheep that's been sheared a few times knows the routine. 2 2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That's is a really good source to get information about cruelty to farm animals by the agricultural industry. "Thank" you for your crap "compassionate", "objective" advice, Teresa Taylor - you are going to the shows to have fun, it's not fun for animals!! The animal agriculture is not just cruel to farm animals, they are also responsible for destruction of our planet, more than any other industry. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago It is scary to sheep in the wool industry, and NO, you would not want that hair cut!!!! -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Oh, yea, sheep "like" that speed. To you Teresa Taylor it's all about products. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yea, right, V33333P, it's so innocent, and sheep just love it; humans must own how cruel and destructive they are. So admit it!!! -2 -2points reply Lillukka79 Lillukka79 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago The onse I've seen show relaxed, happy sheep that are enjoying to get the weight of for summer. 9 9points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes, animals are use to cruelty, they are not relaxed, they are anxious what will happen to them next, how much will it hurt. If you want to see relaxed, happy farm animals go to any farm animal sanctuary, for god's sake. -1 -1point reply Ellie Rosser Ellie Rosser Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Look up "mulesing", they totally do it. (I've watched it happen, I'm not from PETA.) 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago It does not matter, Ellie, your comment was down-voted anyway; there are many "good" people who just can't stand compassion to animals. -1 -1point reply Bacony Cakes Bacony Cakes Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago How much did they pay you? -2 -2points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Wow, downvotes for pointing out an uncomfortable fact about farming. Not all sheep farmers practice mulesing, and in fact it's illegal in many places. But it still happens. 9 9points reply DC DC Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That's how it goes around here - any consideration of nonhuman animals is seen as offensive and paternalizing, while complaining about "preachy" vegans is an act of heroic self defense. You really gotta let that sink in: Someone complaining about being asked to take a look into what is caused by his/her consumerism because it may cause discomfort is a hero, while someone lending his/her voice to the exploited voiceless and helpless is being "entitled" and "self absorbed". If you're the majority, facts can be twisted until they support your stance - every time the industrial abuse of animals gets to be a topic here, you can see this happen as prototypeishly as if it were a performance to illustrate this....... It's not even the disagreeing that truly sucks, not at all... 3 3points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago "Intelligent" Miri Panda, the wool industry is a "shear" (sheer) cruelty!!!!! Get it to your ignorant, apathetic heads "gentle" people, for the sake of humaneness!!!! Sheep suffer immensely, they are treated inhumanely, cruelly!!! They do NOT get hair cuts!!!! Any animal which is raised to generate profits are unconscionably tortured and die in unspeakable agony!!! Get it to your callous brains, please!!!! -2 -2points reply Wanderlust Wanderlust Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. You... ARE STUPID -17 -17points reply Amelie C Amelie C Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Also, leather lasts far longer than PVC. I had some PVC boots, lasted about a year, but leather boots can last more like 20 years. I think that it is far more sustainable to use a byproduct of the meat industry (that'll keep going for a good while yet), than plastic that needs replacing more often, and does not biodegrade. 53 53points reply Iggy Iggy Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago And people can also get a lot of second-hand leather goods, if they don't want to buy new leather goods. 34 34points reply Load More Replies... Ellie Rosser Ellie Rosser Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago The thought is that by buying second hand they are increasing the resale value for the items which contributes to them being more affordable and therefore more likely to be bought in the first place. 0 0points reply Jace Jace Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I haven't heard that complaint before about second hand goods. Not sure I agree. My current belt was a gift from a companion who was vegan before I was. It wasn't new; it was either a thrift store buy or some family member used to own it, so it didn't impact her ethical stance for it to be leather. It bothered her more if the material would go to waste. I suspect she'd buy a thrift store item that's leather, if it was a necessity of some kind. 5 5points reply Uncommon Boston Uncommon Boston Community Member • points posts comments upvotes 1 year ago Huh? -2 -2points reply Meredith Glenn Meredith Glenn Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I still have the Doc Martens I bought in college. I graduated in 1996 8 8points reply Jace Jace Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Ah, I loved mine; I wore them to death. My Vegetarian Shoes versions have lasted longer than my Doc Martens. They're made in the same factory (used to BE a Doc Marten factory). Granted, they're not as comfortable, but I am certain that is all about the soles, not the vegetable leather-alike. 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Amelie C the pain and suffering your leather boots caused do not lasted as long.... the poor animal, whose skin you wearing, was murderer and died in unconscionable agony. Have fun. It's time to develop better cruelty-free materials. 0 0points reply Foxxy (The Original) Foxxy (The Original) Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) My brother has a genuine leather jacket and he is a vegan. He has had it since before he became vegan but he won't throw it away coz it just wastes the animal. He may as well keep it since it has already been purchased, so is no longer contributing to the leather industry. He won't donate it coz why should he get rid of a perfectly good jacket that again has already been made, been paid for etc so why does it matter who wears it. I hope I'm making sense. He won't go out and buy leather anymore. 35 35points reply DC DC Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That's very reasonable and is the approach most vegans I know chose, too. Throwing stuff away won't help anything, while not buying it anymore sure does what it aims at. 13 13points reply Load More Replies... Doreen Yomoah Doreen Yomoah Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Same. I kept all of the non- vegan clothes I had before going vegan and now I only buy secondhand. It's not perfect but it's the best solution I have 2 2points reply Romain Dranreb Romain Dranreb Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I use my leather jacket almost 6 months per year. My mom bought it for me when I was 17yo. I’m turning 37 this year. 1 1point reply Foxxy (The Original) Foxxy (The Original) Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment has been deleted. 0 0points reply Load More Comments POST MiriPanda MiriPanda Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) One of the vegan arguments is that sheep farmers would cruelly rip the wool including skin off of the animals, basically skinning them alive. As if farmers would deliberately kill their livelyhood... This is about as intelligent as saying farmers kill their cows every morning in order to get to the milk... 100 100points reply Patsy Patsy Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago But PETA said so... /s 48 48points reply Load More Replies... Chris Sprucefield Chris Sprucefield Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago PETA? The guys that deliberately kills healthy animals because of not wanting to spend the money to host them for too long in rescue shelters? The guys that rain down on capitalist behaviours, yet pays their bosses heft wages? like this? https://realfacesofanimalrights.com/peta/wages-overhead-costs-exposed/ 2 2points reply Calypso Calypso Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago @chris sprucefield /s means they're being sarcastic 6 6points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Chris Sprucefield, why don't you confront Peta directly??? If I was Peta I would take you to the court, but that would cost money they want to spent on helping animals. By the way, how many animals did you saved???? Despicable trash you are spreading around. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes, Patsey, PETA and numerous other animal protection organizations, they have undercover investigators on the ground and they documented all that horrific abuse the greedy, heartless industries do to innocent, sentient animals. If only you cared to find out the truth and stop attacking all those brave, selfless, extraordinary people who fight against animal cruelty!!! What have you done to help suffering animals??/ Oh, nothing, just attacking those who do. -1 -1point reply Yettichild Yettichild Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Actually they did. As usual, and as intended, there was a lot of controversy about the ad. -1 -1point reply Doreen Yomoah Doreen Yomoah Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I f*****g hate PETA but I've also seen footage of how abusives shearing can be, so it's very difficult to know how the wool that made it to your sweater was made -2 -2points reply Barbara Vandewalle Barbara Vandewalle Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Any sheep shearer causes the sheep to have wound, he may not have job. The owners are very careful with their animals. It is not cheap to replace a 500 pound animal. 3 3points reply Chaotic-Pansexual-Gemini Chaotic-Pansexual-Gemini Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago There are definitely bad people out there but any good farmer would know that abusing their animals is not the way to go 3 3points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Chaotic-Pansexual-Gemini, when it comes to generating profits there are NOT farmers who see their animals as sentient, innocent beings; for farmers the way to go is to desensitize themselves and see their live"stock" solely as profitable things. If you were involved in any, including farm animal, protection fights, you would be horrified... I hope. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I f*****g hate you, Doreen for you f*****g hating Peta. And look.... your comment was down-voted for telling the truth about how immensely sheep suffer at the hands of the cruel wool industry ......for telling the truth and that I appreciate tremendously. -1 -1point reply Bacony Cakes Bacony Cakes Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. That makes me want to do the thing more. -5 -5points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Maybe not deliberately, but sheep are handled extremely roughly during shearing and they can and do get injured in the process. Like everything it's not black and white. And while most vegans would agree that sheep need to be sheared, most would prefer not to buy anything that supports animal farming in any way. The goal of the vegans is the end of animal farming altogether. I am making no comment on the wisdom or likelihood of that happening, but that is why the 'but they need to be sheared anyway/leather is a by-product' argument doesn't hold water with most vegans. Cue my downvotes, which happens every time I make comments about veganism! 11 11points reply Stille20 Stille20 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Then the argument should be for more careful sheering. Most problems with animal products is using the animals as products rather than spending a little more time and money to treat them as valued living creatures. 16 16points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Your argument maybe, but you can't tell vegans what their argument 'should' be. Ethical vegans believe that animals should never be exploited for our use, and that means no farming, not better farming. I'm not saying I agree with them, but it's a central belief. 4 4points reply Stille20 Stille20 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago However, the point is, animal products are often more sustainable and environmentally friendly as compared to synthetic options. 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago There are plenty of natural, cruelty free materials, Stil20. "If the world went vegan: we would free up land the size of Africa and need only 20 % of it to feed 8 billion herbivores." .... now, add to it land used by the industries which use animals to produce clothing materials. That land used by live"stock" for any kind of cruel exploitation, is stolen from wildlife - the destruction of wild lands is resulting in emergence of deadly, ever more potent, viruses and bacteria. We need the natural lands, untouched by human, destructive, cruel activities to survive!!!!!! That means humanity needs to come to its senses, get in possession of conscience and stop human overpopulation and urban sprawl. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That will NEVER happen, Stille20. Cruelty must be put out of bussines, that's the only way. -1 -1point reply ChickyChicky ChickyChicky Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago So the end result would be domesticated sheep breeds going extinct over time, which, okay fine. Or, do we reverse breed to breed out the wool-producing properties that we bred into the sheep over the centuries, till the sheeps can be wild again? 1 1point reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes, domesticated breeds would mostly die out. But wild sheep still exist, there's no need for any reverse breeding lol. 4 4points reply Anggi Santika Anggi Santika Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) @H Edwards, are you by any chance has a farm or working in a farm? Simple curiosity 2 2points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I have worked on a sheep farm, yes. Mostly for lambing, but I have assisted with dipping and shearing as well. 4 4points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I'm glad you do not work for the cruel wool producers any longer. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Good plan either way, Chicky. 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Thank you so much for your comment, H Edwards!! Wow, you got up-voted!!! That's something, something positive for suffering animals, for our earth, and for us humans alike. By the way, why do people need to wear leather clothing at all, especially the skin of heinously tortured and unimaginably painfully murdered animals??? I don't get it. There are plenty of materials from plant sources. -1 -1point reply Nathan Jones Nathan Jones Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago If all animal farming stopped today, the end result would be the extinction of most living things due to methane from cows. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) What the hell are you talking about Nathan Jones???? Methane pollution is a climate killer!!!!!! Animal agriculture is a major contributor to our planet's most significant environmental threats, greater than industrial and car pollution combined. If all animal farming stopped today, the end result would be the significantly cleaner, livable planet Earth!!!! The more clean, breathable air!! The clean, drinkable water!!! The healthy soil!!! -1 -1point reply FrancesCat FrancesCat Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago One argument against wool: Yarn (of all fiber types) in 2021 is not the same as yarn prior to the 1990s. Your grandmother's wool sweater and cotton sheets lasted her whole life, even improved with age. Textile manufacturers now use short, badly manufactured natural fibers to save $$, instead of using the long, strong fibers of yore. This is why wool, cashmere, and cotton sweaters pill so quickly, whether from Zara or Burberry, and vintage sweaters are going strong. Manufactured fibers, otoh, are literally miles long and break (pill) less easily. 9 9points reply Ripley Ripley Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes and no. Ultrafine merino is a very fine woolen knitted cloth, often used for base layers (thermals) and also t-shirts and other clothing worn against the skin. The long staple (fibre length) in merino means that the spun wool is almost as thin as sewing thread. So the high quality fine woolen things do exist - they probably wouldn't last a lifetime, but you can still get garments that will last a long time. In general, though, your argument is sound - manufacturers use inferior quality materials in *everything* so you have to keep buying new things. 6 6points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago No and No, Ripley; no to animal cruelty!!!! There are plenty of natural, plant-based materials to use for clothing and else, no need to torture and murder animals and poison the earth. -1 -1point reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago FrancesCat, that is why the Wall Street (stocks) are doing so well, why the main street (consumers), our planet, and animals are losing. First they make more profits by exploiting the labor force ( workers productivity = one worker is doing the job of two workers and is hardly paid for the job of one worker), then they cheat by reducing quality of materials......and still rising the prices. 0 0points reply Kathryn Baylis Kathryn Baylis Community Member • points posts comments upvotes 1 year ago (edited) Seriously. When was the last time anyone ripped the skin off their scalp using clippers? The answer is never. It isn’t even possible. So there are vegans who are making an argument without understanding the process they’re arguing against. I’m not saying all vegans go off half-cocked like this, but the ones who do should do their homework first. 9 9points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Sheep do sustain injuries during shearing, it's quite a rough process. 7 7points reply Ragnhild Nilsen Ragnhild Nilsen Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Not often and not much. 0 0points reply Bacony Cakes Bacony Cakes Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. They heal quickly, though. -5 -5points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Kathryn Baylis, you are the one who should do your homework!!! Seriously, if you were to use clippers to cut hair of as many heads as possible, many, many heads, and as fast as you could in order to earn more money, there would be many, many heads with ripped skins. Got it???? -2 -2points reply John Baker John Baker Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yep. You're an idiot. Got it. 0 0points reply Seabeast Seabeast Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago PETA faked a bunch of photos to make it look as if that's how wool is produced. But really, you can see sheep shearing videos anywhere that show what it's really like. It's a 10 minute haircut, once a year. 5 5points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Please Seabeast, stop those hateful comments, that's enough!!! There are comments on this site, people commenting about the cruelty of the wool industry they witnessed. You really are a hateful, despicable beast!!!! Why don't you attach your legitimate name to those hateful comments of yours??? Not so brave, are you, just a coward. -2 -2points reply John Baker John Baker Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Found the PETA loony. 0 0points reply Michaela Michaela Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Factory farms are the issue. They are not gentle. Watch videos on the process. Factory farms do kill calves so they can have the milk meant for them. If you must use animal products do it as humanely as possible. 3 3points reply Seabeast Seabeast Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Where do you think veal comes from? 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Michaela, there is no way to exploit farm animals more humanely, we are despicable species who "must" gobble up the flesh of more than one million abhorrently tortured and murdered animals every single hour!!! There is no other mammalian animal in nature who drinks mother's milk after weaning, let alone the milk of another species, only humans are capable of such cruel perversity!! Animal milk protein, called casein, is very dissimilar from human protein, and, together with strong, hard to digest proteins in meat and eggs, causes painful, chronic inflammations in the human body - such as arthritis, chronic diseases - such as diabetes ... which are not only preventable, but reversible by plant-based (vegan) diet, heart diseases/clogged arteries, various cancers, and other maladies...... but nothing will stop human cruelty and destruction of our planet caused by animal agriculture. -2 -2points reply Jace Jace Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Huh. I've never heard that from my vegan friends. I thought it was about the animal slavery in that case. 3 3points reply Martha Meyer Martha Meyer Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago If you've ever seen a video of sheep being shorn, it doesn't exactly look nice and gentle. 3 3points reply V33333P V33333P Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago As a New Zealander I just want to GROAN so loudly at this. No, it doesn't LOOK gentle, but you watch any qualified shearer and they never nick the skin, and they move quickly enough that the sheep has time to realize its on its back before it's free to go 20 20points reply Teresa Taylor Teresa Taylor Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I've watched many shearing competitions and am amazed at the speed at which sheep can be shorn without being torn to shreds. I've had the good fortune to watch a professional shearer in action at a fiber show. While he wasn't competition fast, he was quick and handled the sheep with care. None were nicked or cut in the process and the fleeces were auctioned off. I watched him shear four sheep. He ended up doing nearly 20 that day. Fiber fairs and shows are a good place to get raw fleeces to spin yourself. Often you'll get to see (and feel) the fleece before the sheep's been sheared. Of course, you can anything from clean fleeces to finished products as well, but it's quite educational to watch firsthand the shearing process. 6 6points reply V33333P V33333P Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I love going to shows like this! I had a spinning wheel that I really wanted to use but it was missing a crucial part :( my friend spins, though. She uses raw fleece as well as the fleece from the alpacas her parents own. Shearing a sheep is literally like getting a hair cut, it's not that scary, and it doesn't hurt them 2 2points reply Teresa Taylor Teresa Taylor Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes! They're fun and you meet interesting people that are dedicated to preserving fiber arts and a historical (with modern twists) way of life. If people would stop getting their info from crap sources like PETA and get it from actual farmers and shearers (or even their local county extension offices) they'd see it's not painful or scary. Sheep by nature are scared of everything because of being prey animals; but any sheep that's been sheared a few times knows the routine. 2 2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That's is a really good source to get information about cruelty to farm animals by the agricultural industry. "Thank" you for your crap "compassionate", "objective" advice, Teresa Taylor - you are going to the shows to have fun, it's not fun for animals!! The animal agriculture is not just cruel to farm animals, they are also responsible for destruction of our planet, more than any other industry. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago It is scary to sheep in the wool industry, and NO, you would not want that hair cut!!!! -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Oh, yea, sheep "like" that speed. To you Teresa Taylor it's all about products. -2 -2points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yea, right, V33333P, it's so innocent, and sheep just love it; humans must own how cruel and destructive they are. So admit it!!! -2 -2points reply Lillukka79 Lillukka79 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago The onse I've seen show relaxed, happy sheep that are enjoying to get the weight of for summer. 9 9points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes, animals are use to cruelty, they are not relaxed, they are anxious what will happen to them next, how much will it hurt. If you want to see relaxed, happy farm animals go to any farm animal sanctuary, for god's sake. -1 -1point reply Ellie Rosser Ellie Rosser Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Look up "mulesing", they totally do it. (I've watched it happen, I'm not from PETA.) 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago It does not matter, Ellie, your comment was down-voted anyway; there are many "good" people who just can't stand compassion to animals. -1 -1point reply Bacony Cakes Bacony Cakes Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago How much did they pay you? -2 -2points reply H Edwards H Edwards Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Wow, downvotes for pointing out an uncomfortable fact about farming. Not all sheep farmers practice mulesing, and in fact it's illegal in many places. But it still happens. 9 9points reply DC DC Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That's how it goes around here - any consideration of nonhuman animals is seen as offensive and paternalizing, while complaining about "preachy" vegans is an act of heroic self defense. You really gotta let that sink in: Someone complaining about being asked to take a look into what is caused by his/her consumerism because it may cause discomfort is a hero, while someone lending his/her voice to the exploited voiceless and helpless is being "entitled" and "self absorbed". If you're the majority, facts can be twisted until they support your stance - every time the industrial abuse of animals gets to be a topic here, you can see this happen as prototypeishly as if it were a performance to illustrate this....... It's not even the disagreeing that truly sucks, not at all... 3 3points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago "Intelligent" Miri Panda, the wool industry is a "shear" (sheer) cruelty!!!!! Get it to your ignorant, apathetic heads "gentle" people, for the sake of humaneness!!!! Sheep suffer immensely, they are treated inhumanely, cruelly!!! They do NOT get hair cuts!!!! Any animal which is raised to generate profits are unconscionably tortured and die in unspeakable agony!!! Get it to your callous brains, please!!!! -2 -2points reply Wanderlust Wanderlust Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. You... ARE STUPID -17 -17points reply Amelie C Amelie C Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Also, leather lasts far longer than PVC. I had some PVC boots, lasted about a year, but leather boots can last more like 20 years. I think that it is far more sustainable to use a byproduct of the meat industry (that'll keep going for a good while yet), than plastic that needs replacing more often, and does not biodegrade. 53 53points reply Iggy Iggy Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago And people can also get a lot of second-hand leather goods, if they don't want to buy new leather goods. 34 34points reply Load More Replies... Ellie Rosser Ellie Rosser Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago The thought is that by buying second hand they are increasing the resale value for the items which contributes to them being more affordable and therefore more likely to be bought in the first place. 0 0points reply Jace Jace Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I haven't heard that complaint before about second hand goods. Not sure I agree. My current belt was a gift from a companion who was vegan before I was. It wasn't new; it was either a thrift store buy or some family member used to own it, so it didn't impact her ethical stance for it to be leather. It bothered her more if the material would go to waste. I suspect she'd buy a thrift store item that's leather, if it was a necessity of some kind. 5 5points reply Uncommon Boston Uncommon Boston Community Member • points posts comments upvotes 1 year ago Huh? -2 -2points reply Meredith Glenn Meredith Glenn Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I still have the Doc Martens I bought in college. I graduated in 1996 8 8points reply Jace Jace Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Ah, I loved mine; I wore them to death. My Vegetarian Shoes versions have lasted longer than my Doc Martens. They're made in the same factory (used to BE a Doc Marten factory). Granted, they're not as comfortable, but I am certain that is all about the soles, not the vegetable leather-alike. 0 0points reply Christina Uhlir Christina Uhlir Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Amelie C the pain and suffering your leather boots caused do not lasted as long.... the poor animal, whose skin you wearing, was murderer and died in unconscionable agony. Have fun. It's time to develop better cruelty-free materials. 0 0points reply Foxxy (The Original) Foxxy (The Original) Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) My brother has a genuine leather jacket and he is a vegan. He has had it since before he became vegan but he won't throw it away coz it just wastes the animal. He may as well keep it since it has already been purchased, so is no longer contributing to the leather industry. He won't donate it coz why should he get rid of a perfectly good jacket that again has already been made, been paid for etc so why does it matter who wears it. I hope I'm making sense. He won't go out and buy leather anymore. 35 35points reply DC DC Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago That's very reasonable and is the approach most vegans I know chose, too. Throwing stuff away won't help anything, while not buying it anymore sure does what it aims at. 13 13points reply Load More Replies... Doreen Yomoah Doreen Yomoah Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Same. I kept all of the non- vegan clothes I had before going vegan and now I only buy secondhand. It's not perfect but it's the best solution I have 2 2points reply Romain Dranreb Romain Dranreb Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I use my leather jacket almost 6 months per year. 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