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Mom Uses Math To School A Covid Skeptic On The Odds Of Surviving Covid With And Without A Vaccine

Robertas Lisickis and
Saulė Tolstych
Vaccines have become a huge deal these days. No surprise there, Covid-19 is still at large on a global scale and hence people are strongly encouraged to get a shot as it's currently the only sure way to stop it. Needless to say, the anti-vax community has been very vocal about it, objecting to vaccines for a number of reasons-they are experimental, their contents are questionable, among other things. And while everyone's entitled to their opinions and everyone trusts their own science, the debate on the internet never seems to stop. So, this mom decided to step away from the chemical and medical side of things and focus on cold, hard numbers and stats, sprinkled with some swear words and righteous passion. More Info: TikTok

You may have thought you ll never need math in real life but it does give you the power to drop some mad knowledge on people just like this woman did

Image credits: @hill_deeee Meet Hillary Dabbs, a mother of two who has recently been going viral for her mathematical explanation as to why it's a good idea to get vaccinated against the Covid-19 virus. This came as a response to a seemingly covid and/or vaccine denier, who claimed that 99% of people who got Covid are still alive, vaccine or not. She posted a TikTok video detailing the odds of catching Covid based on the current US statistics on the matter. This includes numbers for the chances of falling ill with and without a vaccine, the likelihood of death, related and unrelated, among other data.

Hillary Dabbs recently responded to a Covid skeptic in the form of a TikTok video with some serious math

In particular, she has calculated that, in the US, a person has a 1 in 8 chance of catching Covid and a 1 in 61 chance of dying from it if they're unvaccinated. This is in comparison to the 1 in 13,402 chance of catching it whilst fully vaccinated, and roughly 1 in 86,500 chance of dying with the vaccine. It doesn't require a math wiz to understand that going from 1 in 61 to going to 1 in 86,500 is a significant change in likelihood of death, all thanks to a vaccination needle or two.

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@hill_deeeeAnswer to @semaj31273 As requested. ❤️ #fuckcovid #endthis #together #doyourpart♬ original sound – Hillary Apart from that, what also had people listening was the ferocity that Hillary assumed with her message. Viewers can only assume that this was fueled by the fact that she had lost her own dad to Covid because she had previously posted a tribute video to her dad, and had referenced this at the end of the now viral math video by saying "we have a way for children to stop losing their parents." Despite this, some commenters said that the message fell on deaf ears as there were a number of comments that were calling shenanigans on Hillary's message, asking "for sources" and whatnot.

The comment section was a mixed bag of people who were either trolling or seriously antivax and who were approving Dabbs message

But besides the stereotypical antivax backlash, there were also honest concerns from people who can't get the vaccine because it will have adverse effects. Hillary did respond to one such comment in a video, saying she understands and isn't bashing them for it, but still encourages them to consult a physician as, for instance, Covid vaccines are done differently than flu vaccines, so it could still be an option. Regardless, the video managed to get nearly 180,000 views with over 11,700 likes and nearly several hundred comments shy of 4,000. So, what are your thoughts on this? Let us know in the comment section below! Anyone can write on Bored Panda. Start writing! Follow Bored Panda on Google News! Follow us on Flipboard.com/@boredpanda! Share on Facebook Robertas Lisickis Follow Unfollow Robertas Lisickis Writer, BoredPanda staff Robertas, nicknamed the Comma Inquisitor by friends, is a Bored Panda writer and content creator. After his studies at LCC International University, where he got a BA in English Language and Literature, Robertas went on to do freelance teaching, translation, and copywriting work, primarily specializing in IT. He spent nearly three years writing about all things Wi-Fi, eventually being picked up by Bored Panda. Whenever there’s free time, he spends it playing Gwent, or hosting Dungeons & Dragons sessions for his mostly chaotic neutral team. Read more » Saulė Tolstych Follow Unfollow Saulė Tolstych Author, BoredPanda staff Saulė is a photo editor at Bored Panda with bachelor's degree in Multimedia and Computer Design. The thing that relaxes her the best is going into YouTube rabbit hole. In her free time she loves painting, embroidering and taking walks in nature. Read more » Show All Contributors Get the latest inspiring stories via our awesome iOS app! Download Bored Panda app! 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Lange Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Even if you survive covid, you can face long-term consequences. Something like that should also be considered 54 54points reply Viviane Viviane Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Anyone who thinks surviving Covid is sufficient is forgetting that long-term Covid can make one wish one were dead. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/icu-survivors-at-higher-risk-of-suicide-research-finds-implications-for-covid-19-1.5415814 26 26points reply Load More Replies... Mazer Mazer Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I know two long haulers. They are miserable, they both live a life in struggle, fear and pain. 3 3points reply Mike Crow Mike Crow Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Don’t forget that if you survive Covid you can still get it again with a different variant. 8 8points reply Cassie Cassie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Also, the strain on medical resources affects patients that don't even have covid. 7 7points reply smugdruggler smugdruggler Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes. Exactly. Some people seem to think that "get better" or "die" are the only options. I know a 17 year old that said to me "I was one of those d!ckheads who thought ' I'm ok I'm young and healthy, I don't need a vaccination' ". He now has scarring in his lungs and suffers breathlessness to the point that he's having to find a different job. 5 5points reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago It's actually what it's all about. Preventing severe illness to prevent expensive long term consequences and pressure on a health care system. And I'm sorry, but if you have to use that kind of language like the person in this video, it really doesn't help do anything. And that still doesn't mean you use cell therapy so lightly on a whole population. If you're afraid of long term consequences of Covid, you should be afraid of long term consequences of a new way to trigger our immune system. Most people are not going to have any side effects, we hope. And hope is not enough to fend off anything beyond the math. So as soon as the math starts to become ambigious (and that's at the point where the direct pressure on our health care systems), you don't use it until more is known. 0 0points reply Nikki Sevven Nikki Sevven Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I've lost my empathy for these idiots. If they weren't taking children with them, I'd be perfectly fine with they themselves dying through their own stupidity. 42 42points reply Robert Forsyth Robert Forsyth Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Me too 2 2points reply Load More Replies... Theoretical Empiricist Theoretical Empiricist Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I'd support walling off Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky and ship all the antivaxers there. While it's tempting to include Texas and other southern states, I don't want them able to escape in boats. 1 1point reply Daniela Kropeit Daniela Kropeit Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago The problem is that once they get ill, they collapse and delay other treatments against diseases. So no, we can't just accept their stupidity. It's not just their choice, it affects all of us 0 0points reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I've lost empathy with idiots that need your kind of language to make people understand. People being careful with new techniques are not your enemy. Some of them are batshit crazy, fo sho, not arguing that. But I am arguing that these vaccins are not at all like the vaccins we know (where information comes from outside your cells, and your immune system is just doing its thing, unlike mrna that enters the cell and makes your cell build something based on instructions that it has no clue about, if it does what it is supposed to do, it essentially flags itself as an outsider that needs to be cleaned up) and some caution is needed. That means, you vaccinate the people that fall in the group that is likely to get really sick, so you immediately relieve the health care system. And then you shut the f**k up and look at the longterm results of this before you even think about vaccinating kids that have close to zero chance of getting sick. And your reasoning is from an individual pov... -1 -1point reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago ...while fighting Covid is something we have to look at from a societal pov. So you demanding everyone use a vaccine with unknown longterm risks. Which include cross reactions of viruses that might have entered the cell before the vaccine, succesful flagging resulting in crazy auto immunal reactions (which we have seen) and my favorite blocking of future cell and gene therapy because our cells learn to resist the technique and will not let this little trick happen again. So. Here's the deal. You Don't Get To Say What Others Do With Their Body or you will get educated by people who actually understand. And I can assure you that most "experts" from GP's to virologists to immunologists and more have no clue what that vaccin exactly does. Even the researchers are just happy it does something (it's more likely it's very shoddy because our cells don't like this little game and will have only the last long term side effect I mentioned) that they predicted it would do. -1 -1point reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) You demanding all that, that's about as egotistical as they come. You don't need to be in the hospital, your chances (if you're a young adult) are tiny to become sick and you are demanding other people take a risk so you can get to live your life pretending nothing is happening. Well. F**k you too. As a parent of a child that has suffered from RSV several times, because we, as a society, feel that the pressure on the health care system is not bad enough with that virus, f**k you. F**k you twice over and once more. Because while I condemn harsh language from other people, if you're an actual ignorant and uninformed tool and feel the need to judge without understanding any of it in detail, you deserve it. -2 -2points reply Watching Watching Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Why do idiots always need huge paragraphs to let everyone know know what idiots they are? 4 4points reply Max Power Max Power Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. You are the idiot -6 -6points reply iblowsheep iblowsheep Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago too bad the deniers have a 0 in 100 chance of actually paying attention to anything factual if it goes against their preconceived bullshit 40 40points reply Load More Comments POST K. Lange K. Lange Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Even if you survive covid, you can face long-term consequences. Something like that should also be considered 54 54points reply Viviane Viviane Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Anyone who thinks surviving Covid is sufficient is forgetting that long-term Covid can make one wish one were dead. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/icu-survivors-at-higher-risk-of-suicide-research-finds-implications-for-covid-19-1.5415814 26 26points reply Load More Replies... Mazer Mazer Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I know two long haulers. They are miserable, they both live a life in struggle, fear and pain. 3 3points reply Mike Crow Mike Crow Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Don’t forget that if you survive Covid you can still get it again with a different variant. 8 8points reply Cassie Cassie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Also, the strain on medical resources affects patients that don't even have covid. 7 7points reply smugdruggler smugdruggler Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Yes. Exactly. Some people seem to think that "get better" or "die" are the only options. I know a 17 year old that said to me "I was one of those d!ckheads who thought ' I'm ok I'm young and healthy, I don't need a vaccination' ". He now has scarring in his lungs and suffers breathlessness to the point that he's having to find a different job. 5 5points reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago It's actually what it's all about. Preventing severe illness to prevent expensive long term consequences and pressure on a health care system. And I'm sorry, but if you have to use that kind of language like the person in this video, it really doesn't help do anything. And that still doesn't mean you use cell therapy so lightly on a whole population. If you're afraid of long term consequences of Covid, you should be afraid of long term consequences of a new way to trigger our immune system. Most people are not going to have any side effects, we hope. And hope is not enough to fend off anything beyond the math. So as soon as the math starts to become ambigious (and that's at the point where the direct pressure on our health care systems), you don't use it until more is known. 0 0points reply Nikki Sevven Nikki Sevven Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I've lost my empathy for these idiots. If they weren't taking children with them, I'd be perfectly fine with they themselves dying through their own stupidity. 42 42points reply Robert Forsyth Robert Forsyth Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Me too 2 2points reply Load More Replies... Theoretical Empiricist Theoretical Empiricist Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago I'd support walling off Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky and ship all the antivaxers there. While it's tempting to include Texas and other southern states, I don't want them able to escape in boats. 1 1point reply Daniela Kropeit Daniela Kropeit Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago The problem is that once they get ill, they collapse and delay other treatments against diseases. So no, we can't just accept their stupidity. It's not just their choice, it affects all of us 0 0points reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) I've lost empathy with idiots that need your kind of language to make people understand. People being careful with new techniques are not your enemy. Some of them are batshit crazy, fo sho, not arguing that. But I am arguing that these vaccins are not at all like the vaccins we know (where information comes from outside your cells, and your immune system is just doing its thing, unlike mrna that enters the cell and makes your cell build something based on instructions that it has no clue about, if it does what it is supposed to do, it essentially flags itself as an outsider that needs to be cleaned up) and some caution is needed. That means, you vaccinate the people that fall in the group that is likely to get really sick, so you immediately relieve the health care system. And then you shut the f**k up and look at the longterm results of this before you even think about vaccinating kids that have close to zero chance of getting sick. And your reasoning is from an individual pov... -1 -1point reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago ...while fighting Covid is something we have to look at from a societal pov. So you demanding everyone use a vaccine with unknown longterm risks. Which include cross reactions of viruses that might have entered the cell before the vaccine, succesful flagging resulting in crazy auto immunal reactions (which we have seen) and my favorite blocking of future cell and gene therapy because our cells learn to resist the technique and will not let this little trick happen again. So. Here's the deal. You Don't Get To Say What Others Do With Their Body or you will get educated by people who actually understand. And I can assure you that most "experts" from GP's to virologists to immunologists and more have no clue what that vaccin exactly does. Even the researchers are just happy it does something (it's more likely it's very shoddy because our cells don't like this little game and will have only the last long term side effect I mentioned) that they predicted it would do. -1 -1point reply Rissie Rissie Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago (edited) You demanding all that, that's about as egotistical as they come. You don't need to be in the hospital, your chances (if you're a young adult) are tiny to become sick and you are demanding other people take a risk so you can get to live your life pretending nothing is happening. Well. F**k you too. As a parent of a child that has suffered from RSV several times, because we, as a society, feel that the pressure on the health care system is not bad enough with that virus, f**k you. F**k you twice over and once more. Because while I condemn harsh language from other people, if you're an actual ignorant and uninformed tool and feel the need to judge without understanding any of it in detail, you deserve it. -2 -2points reply Watching Watching Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago Why do idiots always need huge paragraphs to let everyone know know what idiots they are? 4 4points reply Max Power Max Power Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. You are the idiot -6 -6points reply iblowsheep iblowsheep Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 year ago too bad the deniers have a 0 in 100 chance of actually paying attention to anything factual if it goes against their preconceived bullshit 40 40points reply Load More Comments Popular on Bored Panda I Used AI To See What These 23 Popular Cartoon Characters Would Look Like In Real Life 30 Y.O. 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