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Employee Laughs In Boss’ Face For Saying It’ s “ Unethical” To Make Plans After Work Takes The Case To The Director Interview
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Having a healthy work-life balance is important for everyone. It can be hard to resist the urge to send just one more email or make one more phone call, but when the clock strikes 5 on a Friday afternoon, it's time to pack up your laptop and say goodbye to the office. Our jobs should not dictate our lives, and for the sake of our mental health and personal lives, we must set boundaries. Recently, however, one employee was shamed by their manager for having the audacity to try to stop working… After his work hours were finished. Below, you can read the full story that was shared on the Antiwork subreddit, as well as an interview we were lucky enough to receive from the employee, and then let us know in the comments how you would have responded to this manager's unreasonable expectations. Then, if you're interested in reading another Bored Panda article featuring a questionable boss, we recommend checking out this story next. This employee recently shared online how his manager had unrealistic expectations for his working hours
Image credits: Tima Miroshnichenko (not the actual photo) After sharing the original post he continued to update readers on the situation
The manager continued trying to defend herself but the employee was not having it
Image credits: MART PRODUCTION (not the actual photo) Finally the dramatic saga came to a close
Credits: Porongas1993 We reached out to the employee in the story, Porongas1993 on Reddit, to hear if this was the first time he had been expected to work longer hours at this job. "It's not the first time it's been expected, but it definitely was the first time where it was not communicated to me," he told Bored Panda. "It was also the first time it happened with this new manager, so it probably has something to do with that." We also asked how he felt about management at his work and if this situation changed his opinion on the company. "Ever since this new manager started working here, everything has felt micromanaged and none of us like it," he shared. "But it didn't change my view of the company." We also asked if he believes his job allows him to maintain a healthy work-life balance. "I would say for the most part it does provide a good balance. Being in IT, we sometimes have to sacrifice though," he admitted. Lastly, he added, "One thing I told people is that it's not necessarily that I am opposed to working after hours. I understand my field sometimes requires it. But I would at least like the courtesy of communication and to be properly compensated for it." And that is exactly the point: managers owe their employees respect, and they must be up front with communication and pay their employees accordingly. In the United States, for example, employers can ask workers to put in more than their scheduled hours, as the Fair Labor Standards Act does not technically put any limits on the amount of hours employees can work per week. But they have to compensate workers appropriately. If an employee works over 40 hours in one week, they are entitled to overtime pay for all of that excess time. Of course, if a meeting runs 15 minutes past, it would not make a huge difference. But the crux of the issue is that companies need to be stringent about their rules. If they expect employees to work over their hours here and there, it can really add up. And I'm sure this manager would not be thrilled with employees showing up 15 minutes late in the mornings to make up for that time either. Thankfully, the author of this post did end up working everything out with their employer, and I hope it is safe to assume that this manager learned their lesson, but this issue should have never arisen in the first place. It's time for employers to stop acting entitled to their staff's entire lives and start respecting their time and boundaries. Have you ever had to deal with a manager like this? We would love to get your thoughts on this situation in the comments, and if you have any similar stories to share with your fellow pandas, feel free to drop them down below. Readers have weighed in criticizing the manager and the toxic expectations that many work environments have
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My hours are my hours and I refuse to EVER come in early, stay late or cut my breaks short. If there is so much work to be done, that it can't be accomplished in my already 40 hours a week, they can hire more employees. I will never sacrifice MY time, f**k a company and f**k a job. 42 42points reply Helen Waight Helen Waight Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Pretty much same. I have a lot of medical reasons why going over my workday hours are bad but I don’t need to share them with my boss. When I say I can’t work past 5pm I mean it. (And don’t get me started on the ‘but you don’t have kids, therefore you can’t possibly have commitments that are important’ retort they’re so fond of) 19 19points reply Load More Replies... ButFirstCoffee ButFirstCoffee Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 week ago I am my own commitment, as I am the most important person in my life. 1 1point reply Charles Rogers Charles Rogers Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. And that's why you'll be living out of your van some day pretending like it's all you've ever wanted from life. Grow up, Peter Pan. Sometimes adults have to put in a little more effort. -17 -17points reply Fish Boden Fish Boden Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago No, that's why we All need to behave like we're not wage slaves. Your attitude is the problem. 15 15points reply Munnin Munnin Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I came in early, skipped breaks, and stayed late at my first adult job in my early 20s. And I never did that again at any subsequent jobs. There is no reward for the employee in it that is worth having no life outside of work. I'm 50, and am doing very well in my career, without having to give my employer extra time. Haven't had to live in a vehicle yet. (Also, you're an AH because people become homeless for many reasons and people like you make them ashamed to ask for help). 10 10points reply artbyce artbyce Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Little does this little man know that not only am I controller for a multi million dollar business, but I also own my own business... making more money than he could fathom, WITHOUT having to sacrifice anything of myself for a company that is not mine! But, preach on Charles. 4 4points reply Renegade Renegade Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Sorry, I don't volunteer my time to for-profit businesses. 10 10points reply Kathryn Baylis Kathryn Baylis Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago (edited) I’m sure the OP isn’t totally rigid about their hours, and that if an emergency came up that merited staying late, they’d do it in a heartbeat to help out. But to expect it on the regular, when there is no emergency, is downright cruel and exploitative. I’m so glad the pendulum amongst workers is swinging so hard toward work-life balance nowadays—-I used to be one of the few who instead on it, and back then it actually hurt my chances for advancement. I saw so many incompetent people get promotions and raises, only to totally f**k up jobs they could not do, but that I could do in my sleep, simply because they goofed off from 9am to 4pm, then managed to look busy when the manager did a walkthrough at 5pm, while I had actually worked all day, when the manager was hiding in their office, and was packing up to leave. And management has the f*****g gall to be totally mystified as to why employees job hop. 34 34points reply N Goodman N Goodman Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I would be rigid about my hours. These employers have zero love or loyalty to employees. Why would we bend to "help" them out? We could be tossed on our a**e at any time when it suits the company needs. Naw, those days are over. 14 14points reply Load More Replies... Linda Linda Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Being flexible and working extra hours because of an emergency doesn't mean you have to do it for free without any compensation. You can be rigid about your hours and be flexible at the same time. In Dutch we have an expression 'time for time' which means that overtime is not paid, but you can compensate for the extra hours by working fewer hours on another day. But if this flexibility isn't part of your job description I consider it a voluntary choice and not an obligation. An employer cannot expect or demand an employee to work extra hours without proper compensation, as a labor contract is a legally binding contract between both parties and therefore both parties have to stick to it. Any employer who does not is a bad employer. It seems the writer of this story has a bad manager but a great employer. 2 2points reply Lets Roll Lets Roll Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago He has since updated and and his district manager whom he thought would side with him explain that he has to work from eight to six every day not nine to five... here's somebody that's whining about how many hours they have to work and they didn't even know that they were late every day and leaving early every day 0 0points reply Kimberly Marino Kimberly Marino Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I agree that if your manager is an a*s why would you want to help them? However if it's a fellow employee who is in a very rare bad spot I wouldn't think twice to cover for them. No one is an island and having someone have your back can be a wonderful thing ! Of course if that becomes a regular thing then I would need to clearly explain the issue but in 30+ years it's never been an issue. For me at least 1 1point reply 333 333 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 month ago Sounds like his director does have love and loyalty to his employees.... 0 0points reply Lets Roll Lets Roll Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago That's why you make your own career and don't just have a job if you've never been a manager then go try to be one...keyword "try" 0 0points reply D Eve D Eve Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago This comment has been deleted. 0 0points reply Jonathan Gardiner Jonathan Gardiner Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Clearly none of yall work at a prison. We are expected to stay until we are relieved. While I am unwilling to give my free time to the agency I don't exactly have much of a choice compared to you 9-5 people. 0 0points reply Lizzy Crit Lizzy Crit Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 month ago You also have a union and get time and a half for the overtime 0 0points reply Nancy Savage Nancy Savage Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago (edited) You choose to continue working there knowing that's the status quo so you in a way you do have a choice. Edit: accidentally posted before I finished typing 0 0points reply SilverSkyCloud SilverSkyCloud Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 month ago the only time an "emergency" would merit staying late is if op worked for an emergency service or maybe a power company that was about to have a black out or meltdown 0 0points reply Anne Erwin Anne Erwin Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I was like you. Always going over and above what was expected. It was in my DNA . If I saw something that needed to be done, and I could manage it, it got done. So in the end who is recognized for their efforts? Not me. The younger, and overpaid slack offs, who wouldn't dream of ever doing anything outside of their job description. This is a learned behavior, and totally management's fault. These slackers caused the work day to exceed the normal 8hrs, and came off like hero's when they offered to stay. Of course this also meant overtime pay in their pockets. It my books it's called stealing company time. Guess some peoples priorities are warped. 0 0points reply Keith O Keith O Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago No, this is an employee and employer deal. If she as the manager felt the need to ask you to stay late, then she should have been fully prepared to reason or defend that position up the ladder. She was in the wrong and knows it, and now she knows that her little ploy will not be swept under the rug. She is on some weird power trip and needs to be put in her place, which sounds like your director might just be willing to do. Good on you mate. 28 28points reply Load More Comments POST artbyce artbyce Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago That's a big NO for me! My hours are my hours and I refuse to EVER come in early, stay late or cut my breaks short. If there is so much work to be done, that it can't be accomplished in my already 40 hours a week, they can hire more employees. I will never sacrifice MY time, f**k a company and f**k a job. 42 42points reply Helen Waight Helen Waight Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Pretty much same. I have a lot of medical reasons why going over my workday hours are bad but I don’t need to share them with my boss. When I say I can’t work past 5pm I mean it. (And don’t get me started on the ‘but you don’t have kids, therefore you can’t possibly have commitments that are important’ retort they’re so fond of) 19 19points reply Load More Replies... ButFirstCoffee ButFirstCoffee Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 week ago I am my own commitment, as I am the most important person in my life. 1 1point reply Charles Rogers Charles Rogers Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago This comment is hidden. Click here to view. And that's why you'll be living out of your van some day pretending like it's all you've ever wanted from life. Grow up, Peter Pan. Sometimes adults have to put in a little more effort. -17 -17points reply Fish Boden Fish Boden Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago No, that's why we All need to behave like we're not wage slaves. Your attitude is the problem. 15 15points reply Munnin Munnin Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I came in early, skipped breaks, and stayed late at my first adult job in my early 20s. And I never did that again at any subsequent jobs. There is no reward for the employee in it that is worth having no life outside of work. I'm 50, and am doing very well in my career, without having to give my employer extra time. Haven't had to live in a vehicle yet. (Also, you're an AH because people become homeless for many reasons and people like you make them ashamed to ask for help). 10 10points reply artbyce artbyce Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Little does this little man know that not only am I controller for a multi million dollar business, but I also own my own business... making more money than he could fathom, WITHOUT having to sacrifice anything of myself for a company that is not mine! But, preach on Charles. 4 4points reply Renegade Renegade Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Sorry, I don't volunteer my time to for-profit businesses. 10 10points reply Kathryn Baylis Kathryn Baylis Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago (edited) I’m sure the OP isn’t totally rigid about their hours, and that if an emergency came up that merited staying late, they’d do it in a heartbeat to help out. But to expect it on the regular, when there is no emergency, is downright cruel and exploitative. I’m so glad the pendulum amongst workers is swinging so hard toward work-life balance nowadays—-I used to be one of the few who instead on it, and back then it actually hurt my chances for advancement. I saw so many incompetent people get promotions and raises, only to totally f**k up jobs they could not do, but that I could do in my sleep, simply because they goofed off from 9am to 4pm, then managed to look busy when the manager did a walkthrough at 5pm, while I had actually worked all day, when the manager was hiding in their office, and was packing up to leave. And management has the f*****g gall to be totally mystified as to why employees job hop. 34 34points reply N Goodman N Goodman Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I would be rigid about my hours. These employers have zero love or loyalty to employees. Why would we bend to "help" them out? We could be tossed on our a**e at any time when it suits the company needs. Naw, those days are over. 14 14points reply Load More Replies... Linda Linda Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Being flexible and working extra hours because of an emergency doesn't mean you have to do it for free without any compensation. You can be rigid about your hours and be flexible at the same time. In Dutch we have an expression 'time for time' which means that overtime is not paid, but you can compensate for the extra hours by working fewer hours on another day. But if this flexibility isn't part of your job description I consider it a voluntary choice and not an obligation. An employer cannot expect or demand an employee to work extra hours without proper compensation, as a labor contract is a legally binding contract between both parties and therefore both parties have to stick to it. Any employer who does not is a bad employer. It seems the writer of this story has a bad manager but a great employer. 2 2points reply Lets Roll Lets Roll Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago He has since updated and and his district manager whom he thought would side with him explain that he has to work from eight to six every day not nine to five... here's somebody that's whining about how many hours they have to work and they didn't even know that they were late every day and leaving early every day 0 0points reply Kimberly Marino Kimberly Marino Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I agree that if your manager is an a*s why would you want to help them? However if it's a fellow employee who is in a very rare bad spot I wouldn't think twice to cover for them. No one is an island and having someone have your back can be a wonderful thing ! Of course if that becomes a regular thing then I would need to clearly explain the issue but in 30+ years it's never been an issue. For me at least 1 1point reply 333 333 Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 month ago Sounds like his director does have love and loyalty to his employees.... 0 0points reply Lets Roll Lets Roll Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago That's why you make your own career and don't just have a job if you've never been a manager then go try to be one...keyword "try" 0 0points reply D Eve D Eve Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago This comment has been deleted. 0 0points reply Jonathan Gardiner Jonathan Gardiner Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago Clearly none of yall work at a prison. We are expected to stay until we are relieved. While I am unwilling to give my free time to the agency I don't exactly have much of a choice compared to you 9-5 people. 0 0points reply Lizzy Crit Lizzy Crit Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 month ago You also have a union and get time and a half for the overtime 0 0points reply Nancy Savage Nancy Savage Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago (edited) You choose to continue working there knowing that's the status quo so you in a way you do have a choice. Edit: accidentally posted before I finished typing 0 0points reply SilverSkyCloud SilverSkyCloud Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 1 month ago the only time an "emergency" would merit staying late is if op worked for an emergency service or maybe a power company that was about to have a black out or meltdown 0 0points reply Anne Erwin Anne Erwin Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago I was like you. Always going over and above what was expected. It was in my DNA . If I saw something that needed to be done, and I could manage it, it got done. So in the end who is recognized for their efforts? Not me. The younger, and overpaid slack offs, who wouldn't dream of ever doing anything outside of their job description. This is a learned behavior, and totally management's fault. These slackers caused the work day to exceed the normal 8hrs, and came off like hero's when they offered to stay. Of course this also meant overtime pay in their pockets. It my books it's called stealing company time. Guess some peoples priorities are warped. 0 0points reply Keith O Keith O Community Member • points posts comments upvotes FollowUnfollow 2 months ago No, this is an employee and employer deal. If she as the manager felt the need to ask you to stay late, then she should have been fully prepared to reason or defend that position up the ladder. She was in the wrong and knows it, and now she knows that her little ploy will not be swept under the rug. She is on some weird power trip and needs to be put in her place, which sounds like your director might just be willing to do. Good on you mate. 28 28points reply Load More Comments Popular on Bored Panda I Used AI To See What These 23 Popular Cartoon Characters Would Look Like In Real Life 30 Y.O. 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